scout and jem learn many things about the adult world. they also have new worries like Bob Ewell's and the tom robinson case. atticus isn't worried about bob ewell but it seems like everyone else is.jem has intence disscusions with atticus about rape.even scout has more adult like disscustions.scout and jem talk about class in maycomb. scout wears a dress which shows that she is matureing
Jem is growing up and is becoming a young adult, or a teen. As he is growing up he is becoming more mature and now is looking at things with a whole new perspective then before. On page 226 he tells Scout the many groups that Maycomb is split into. Jem chose these groups by the respect and their traits. Jem split Maycomb into these specific groups because in his oppinion, These different groups or families, are treated because of their ethnicities, wealth, social life, and the way they live their lives.I thought that Scout would never think of these things because she is still a young kid. Jem is invaded by the adult world and "shares" it with Scout. (it is me katherina!!!!!!!!!!!)
In chapter 23 Jem broke maycomb into living conditional groups. I agree with all of what Katherina said about Jem. In chapter 24 Scout goes to one of the ladies days or something like that. This event is hosted by aunt Alexandra and at the end of this the ladies have coffee and tea. Thats when Scout joins them and hears all about what they are talking about. The ladies included her and just treated her as if she was a part of their group. They asked her normal questions that they were asking the other people in the group. When she hears about all the stuff going on in the ladies meeting she also hears about the death of Tom Robinson. After hearing this news she still was able to go back to the ladies meeting and finish it. When people are considered adults most times they can handle sad news better than children who will just cry.
In the beginning of the chapter, Scout is asked what she wants to be when she is older. She replies by saying "Nome, I hadn't thought about it..." This tells you that she is starting to become mature and sort of like a younger version of Jem. Jem is also becoming mature and a young adult. Jem is very mature now and is really concentrating on being like Atticus. Atticus is Jem's role model in a way because he is good at many things and Jem wants to become just at good and if not, better. Jem is like a younger version of Atticcus.
Scout is learning that there are many things ladies do and how much they expect of a young person. It seems weird that they question Scout so much, before this ordeal they probably would not have asked because she would not have cared or would have tried to get away. In this way Scout is growing up to be a Young women than the small kid whop did everything with Jem at the beginning of the Book.
Jem has also grown because he cares more for animals than before.
It hurt then al ot to learn that Tom died especially because they liked him and he could have had gone free. But this is learning to be grown up, that is the evil of life. Tom just could not stand being discriminated against
In chapter 24 Scout sits through one of the woman of Maycombs' missionary circles, where she observes the woman. She thinks about how these are not the kind of people she enjoys spending time with, though she does try and make conversation and help serve. As people before me have said Scout was asked what she wanted to be when she grows up, and was pestered about being a lawyer, when asked that question Scout had to think about being a "grown up" a bit more, though she did not think to much about it. Staying with the women also made her think about the kind of people she did like to stay with,the people like Heck Tate, Atticus, and Miss Maudi, she also though about why she enjoyed their company, she said that they were not hypocrites. Jem is growing up more and more, and is now seeing his world differently, as we talked about earlier he is thinking about Maycomb in a very segregated way, he tells Scout he has been thinking about it a lot lately. Having a older brother who is growing up probably makes Scout grow up a little bit faster, because while he is going through a lot of different problems, Scout also starts to think about those problems.
in these chapters aunt alexandra tries to make Scout what people call a "ladie". aunt alexandra wants to make scout like her before she grows up. Jem is getting older and acting like an adult which is rather annoying to Scout. it makes it harder to enjoy themselves together. Jem spends more time with dill and they are ignoring her. Scout goes to a different school than Jem and they rarely see each other when not at home for meals.
Scout and Jem start discovering and learning more of the gossip life in Maycomb. Scout has been hearing a lot about the adult life especially after Aunt Alexandra's meeting with the ladies in their neighborhood about Tom's case his family, and the mrunas. Jem has been hearing some information to but not as much. He heard and saw some dramatic scenes in chapter 25 when Atticus tells him and Dill the big news about Tom. Scout's life is being invaded more because she is a girl who will eventually be a women, so she has to start knowing the gossip and start understanding how to be lady like. So the adult world is invading her life now. Jem's life isnt being invaded really because it seems that he doesnt pay much attention to what the gossip is, and the adult world. He tries to separate himself from those topics because he knows most of it isn't true. And he's a boy, boys/men in Maycomb don't pay much thought to those topics.
The biggest invasion is the Tom Robinson case. That really seemed to tell Scout and Jem a lot about the adult world, and how adults deal out justice in the town of Maycomb. Another way the adult world invades Scout and Jems lives is when Jem is being treated more and more by Atticus as Scouts guardian. The reason Atticus gives him this responsibility is because Jem is getting older, and getting closer to manhood. Scout also asks Atticus what the word rape means.
scout is asked what she wants to be when she grows up, she doesn't know. This shows that she is starting to grow up. She is also starting to wear dresses. Jem is also maturing and is making his father a role model
this chapter is a tresure trove of adulthood for jem and scout. they realise the after afects of the great cort case. they realise that they still have many fears left. one of wich is that bob ewell is still furious about how atticus distroyed all of his creadablity. he was left to sit in his shame even though he won the trile he lost his dignety. though scout and gem are horified, Atticus is still calm
jem and scout also learn of the truths of the court system they see that the system does not folow what it says
Jem is growing up and it's afecting Scout because she is constantly struck by all of Jem's interests as football. While Jem grows up he realizes injustice happening in Maycomb. He and scout are brought to realize injustice which happen every day around the country. Jem can not belive that all of this injustice is happening and no one really acts opon it. Jem also realizes that deppendion on social lass and skin color you are put in one of four groups that "decribe" what type of civilian you are. Scout and Jem are expected to stop acting more like kids each year and become young adults (although it only applies for Jem.) Aunt Alexandra s expectations are to teach Scout how to be a young lady. Scout doesn't like it but she can't do nothing about it.
The outcome of the trial really becomes clear to Jem. Now that the trial is over Jem has more time to think about what happened and what could have happened. He realizes all these things and it hits him hard. I also think that from the trial, Scout and Jem are staring to learn and realize more about the way race plays a role in maycomb. They even start to make their own discoveries and insights,like the quote by Jem that we responded to in the last post. Scout starts to learn a little more about the things that the women of Myacomb talk about when she sits in on a discussion between Aunt Alexandra,Miss Maudie and a few others. I agree with rodrigo that Scout is being forced tobe in the preseceof women a lot and there is nothing she can do to stop.
In chapter 24, Scout joins Aunt Alexandra in her Missionary group. It is the first time in the whole book that Scout willingly sits in with other women in the community. She wears a dress, which, for her, is unheard of. Scout’s perspective on her time with the women, is that she enjoys the company of men more. I think that Scout’s willingness to be patient and spend time with adults is a sign that she is becoming more mature every day.
Jem is growing up and adult life is entering his life. He is now seeing the world in more realistic and less like a child. The Tom Robinson case is thought about a lot in Jems life now. He sees the wrong that came out of the case and can't stand it. By experiencing all of the case, adult life is brought into his life. He is starting to see Maycomb in a different way and is analyzing that more.
Scout is getting adult life forced upon her. In chapter 24, she is brought into Aunt Alexandras meeting. She learns the feelings of many women in Maycomb while Aunt Alexandra tries to make her more of a lady. She feels that " ladies seem to live in horror of men" which leaves me with the question, does this make Scout want to be a women anymore than she did before?
A very unique scene is where Scout is sitting in the room while Aunt Alexandra's "gossip" group sits in and talks about the town. she sits there trying to follow the conversation but it is very starnge to her. She asks again and again what they're talking about still no response. You really see how she learns to take insults and remarks in this. Jem also seems more grown up. Not just in these two chapters but in general. He is extremely consious of the world and knows difficulties more than he used to. You see him prove he knows more than Scout however more recently when he sits through the trial and takes everything in with understanding not just puzzlement. Scout is also well though out and smart but yet she lacks age. She is smart but not wise. She is still in the sort of mocking bird phase where Jem has sort of flown away. An example of Jem's smart ness he reads magazines and newspapers alot more and I definatly agree with nico on the fact that Jem is a child version of Atticus. As he grows older he will become, as Atticus is, more level headed and "down to earth".
Jem and Scout are learning that the adult world is not as grownup as it first seems. They are learning that adults can be just like children when they get upset, hasty to use their fists and slow to remember to use their heads. With Bob Ewell, Atticus is certain that no harm will come to him. But the children aren't so sure. They are forced to realize the gravity of this problem, they are forced to realize that Atticus is not permanent, that all good things come to an end. children should be focused on growing up, and playing, and having fun, Jem and Scout have to worry if Atticus is safe every minute of the day. That is something no child should have to deal with. The adult world is invading Jem and Scout's lives, but there is nothing they can do about it.
Scout and Jem have been exposed to more adult-like topics, like the Tom Robinson case for example. Scout has become more aware of the real issues that are going on in Maycomb, she also is beginning to ponder over her future and what will become of herself as an adult. Jem is beginning to view Maycomb is a more adult fashion. He is grouping people in Maycomb as an adult would.
I think the adult world influenced Scout the most because when they asked her what she wanted to be when she grew up she said a lady. You could also see that since Aunt Alexandra came Scout has been acting alot more like she has been wearing dreses and she wasnt beating anyone up as mch as she used to.
Everyone's comments are very interesting. In chapters 23 and 24, Jem and Scout are faced with adulthood in many instances.
One of the main is the ending of the Tom Robinson trial. This trial was very important because it helped Jem and Scout realize more about how the town of Maycomb is. Maycomb involves with "white privelege" and doesn't beleive that any black person is at all important, in anyway. Many people believe that what Jem said in chapter 23 was extremely rude, eventhough it actually is just a truthful portrayal of Maycomb, eventhough it is pretty harsh.
Another realization that comes upon Jem is when he starts to grow older, he realizes that he is going to have to be more responsible and become a better role model for Scout. He starts to be very nice to her and tell her more about getting older.
One adult world problem that invades Scout's life, is the idea of becoming a woman. During chapter 24, Scout decides to join Aunt Alexandra and her friends for afternoon snacks and gossip. Throughout the whole afternoon, the women discuss different events in the town of Maycomb. At one point during the afternoon gossip session, one of the women asks Scout what sher wants to be when she grows up, Scout doesn't have an answer, but this makes her start thinking more about her future. When Scout thinks about it, she is torn between the idea of being a woman or becoming more of a boyish woman. The interesting thing, is that before Scout started to grow up she had no idea of becoming any type of woman, but now that she is growing up she is having more thoughts about becoming a lady.
I agree with many people. Jem and Scout are being introduced to more adult topics and conversations. I do not think that the adult world is "invading" jem and Scout's lives. I think it is actually combining with their lives. This is because the adults in their lives are beginning to realize that Jem and Scout are becoming more mature and are growing into adulthood. They are acting more responsible. I think that their views of adulthood are beginning to change. At first, they thought adults are bossy and they are sometimes bothersome, but now they view them as role models and as responsible. They also make it seem that they want to grow up to be like some adults in Maycomb.
In chapter 24, Scout sits and talks with the some of the women in her neighborhood. They ask her what she wants to be, but she does know yet. Sitting and talking like like an adult is something new to Scout, she is not used to it. Also both Jem and Scout have to deal with the death of Tom Robinson. Scout relizes that Tom Robinson had no chance, no matter how well Atticus presented his case, they were going to loose because a black mans words no matter how genuine they sounded did not matter. "Tom was a dead man the minute Mayella Ewell opened her mouth and screamed." Pg. 241 Scout and Jem are being faced with the cruel reality of racism and how harsh life caan be. To Kill A Mockingbird, the title of this book, can be interpreted in many ways but now I see killing a Mockingbird like how the gaurds killed Tom. They killed an innocent man, trying to escape the reality of an unjust situation.
I think that Jem is starting to see reality and how their life is extremely hard because of the depression. It seems that Jem and Scout after the Tom Robinson case I think that this is because they are learning to face the facts about socialism in Maycomb. Jem has a completely different view on life than before. He has aquired more maturity and wisdom. (BRANDON)
In chapters 23 and 24, Jem and Scout start showing new colors or maturity. For Jem, the fact that he classified different types of Maycomb citizens makes him more of an adult of Maycomb because when he was younger, he thought he was all figured out and agreed with Atticus on almost everything and thought that everyone should be treated the same. but now that he is maturing, he is starting to pick up on the "Maycomb Ways." And for Scout, we start seeing her trying to figure out her approaching maturity. When Ms. Stephanie asks her about her future, Scout realizes that she has not thought about it much and starts exploring in her mind, different possibilities. Also, Scout starts figuring out being a lady when she is sitting in on the missionary meeting. An example of this is when Scout observes Aunty keeping her ground and acting apathetic around her group of women. Scout andmires this and starts being more interested in the prospect of becomg a lady.
Scout and Jem start to really realize that they are changing. During these 2 chapters they are changing in diffrent ways.
Jem is taking on the role of adulthood. He decides to embrace it with no shame. For example when he is excited about showing his first chest hair or when he was abruptly telling Scout not to squish that bug. I think he is taking the role of a leader. His major influence is his dad. He is also taking in the reactions of Maycomb Citizens and how they think of the town or that trial.
Scout knows that she is entering adulthood, but isnt ready for it. For example, when she wore the dress to the missionary meeting she was still wearing shorts under it. Or when she was really tempted to kill that bug. This is a sign of how she is still figuring out who she is. Her major influence is Aunt Alexandria. In these chapters going back to the discussion of good/evil in a person. These chapters really show the good sides of Alexandria.
They begin to really realize the injustice of Maycomb and how these senseless reactions to Tom Robinson's death quickly effects the town.
The adult world invades jem and scout's lives when they are told that tom robinson was killed. The adults at the time with them clearly saw them as mature because if they didn't they wouldn't have so blaintly say that tom robinson was killed by jail guards when he was trying to escape the prision.
Rex: At the start of the story, the world of Scout and Jem was confined to their back yard, Radley house, their school and Miss Maudie. As they got older, their world expanded to the nearby towns, Mrs. Dubose and eventually Atticus's workplace and court.
The challanges they face were also getting more complex. From trying childish ways to get Boo Radley out of the house, to hearing Miss Maudie's wise advice, realizing Mrs. Dubose's mental conflicts and the unfair guilty charge of Tom Robinson.
Even though Tom was charged in favor to Bob Ewell, he was furious that Atticus disgraced him in court. He seeked revenge. Jem and Scout were worried that Bob would end up killing Atticus, which he (Bob) is capable of.
Scout under Aunt Alexandra's influence began wearing dress and talking in missionary cirlces with ladies in Maycomb. She has to accept that she is turing into adulthood and must change. The quote "...I must soon enter this world, where on its surface fragrant ladies rocked slowly, fanned gently, and drank cool water."
Jem's changes involved his perspective of the world. His division classes of society is an example. He asked complicated questions, from the laws of justice, to equality between whites and blacks and for the later chapters he begins to teach Scout some of his observations. He is seeing himself as a representative of Atticus in the future (asking to change the laws in Montgomery)
I think that Tom Robinson’s trial was the principal opening to the adult world for Scout and Jem. It has been an immense change to what their judgments were before and what their judgments are now. However, Jem has adapted adult world more than Scout has, because he is older and his mind can explore and think more about the adult world than Scout can. Scout also has a change in thoughts lately. She begins to realize what the difference is between good and evil. I also realized that she told Dill [when Dill ran crying outside of the Courtroom in the previous chapters] that the only reason they were hard on Tom Robinson was that he was black. Scout may have adapted the fact that Tom Robinson was asked harshly during the trial because he was black and that shows how Scout is learning more of the adult world and the fact that she’s realizing there’s also evil in the world. Seeing more of a difference to Jem was when he said the quote, “I’ve thought about it a lot lately and I’ve got it figured out. There’s four kinds of folks in the world. There’s the ordinary kind like us and the neighbors, there’s the kind like the Cunningham’s out in the woods, the kind like the Ewell’s down at the dump, and the Negroes.” I think it brings out more of Jem’s adult thoughts and different views compared to when he was younger.
In the past two chapters, Jem and Scout's lives have been invaded in various ways by the adult world. I agree with most people that Scout and Jem both have realizations about their town, the adults around them, and the changing of their lives. As Jem is getting older and changing his realization is he has to become a better influenced for Scout since she looks up to him so much. As an act of being an adult, Jem starts helping Scout have an understanding about their complicated town and about growing up. In chapter 24, Aunt Alexandra invites Scout to join her group of controversies and gossip. When asked about what she wanted to be when she grows up, Scout responds by saying she wants to be a lady. Even though she said she wants to be a lady i think she feels ready because under the dress she was wearing she was still wearing her shorts. Her answer shows that this thought of growing up to be a certain kind of woman that is expected of a Finch woman, runs through Scout's mind a lot.
These chapters really got me thinking if we all went through or are going through this change without noticing. When Scout is asked what she wants to be when she is an adult, she says that she hasn't really thought about it.I think this got her thinking more into her plans for the future. The adult world is coming into Scouts world when Aunt Alexandra invited the neighboors over. This was a trap for Scout so she can she more ladylike figures. After the new about Tom, Scout noticed that Aunty Alex was still as ladylike as before and Scout also stayed ladylike, imitating her Aunt.
During these two chapters, Jem is kind of quiet, but only to a piont. When Scout is about to kill the bug, Jem sort of turns soft and says to not kill it because it has done nothing wrong to her. Scout thinks that he has turned soft on everything and that he will never be the same. Jem is going into that change of becoming a boy into a man. Jem is slowly realizing the reality of life instead of the life you see as a child. Jems change is affecting Scout too because of how he is not the same brother who she would talk to and love to be around.
jem and scout have always been changing throughout the chapters. they just are becoming more mature and responsible. as they get older they learn a lot about the adults and what they are like. they have learned the famous quote, don't judge a book by its cover. most adults in maycomb aren't what they seem and jem and scout had to learn that.
The adult world approaches Jem and Scout in various ways in chapters 23 and 24. first there is the qoute from jem about the classes ad rankings of maycomb. The way he tries to explain to Scout about italone tells you that he is trying to grow up and analize what Maycombs true feelings for negroes are. it shows that Jem is thinking more about the outside world, one that is seperate from his yet so close location wise. You see Scout maturing when she goes to Aunt Alexandra's gathering. She puts on a dress and proves to her aunt that she can become a proper lady. A qoute that shows that Scout really does want to try hard to prove herself is "after all, if Aunty could be a lady at a time like this, so could I." Also at the end of chapter 23 Jem makes a strong and memorable oconclusion about Boo Radley. he said "I think I am begging to understand why Boo Radley's stayed shut up in the house all this time...its because he wanst to stay inside." For Jem this sis a huge step. Especially because Jem Scout and Dill use to make fun of Boo and constanly bother him. But now Jem realization makes him a better person because he is not drawing to assumptions anymore. But then the really huge piece of information thy get about tom robinson shows a lot about what they are ready to handle. You see that both Scout and Jem Are ready to become part of maycomb in a new perspective. The esence of them growing up is cryptic to some in a way that only they can under stand. i think that they know that they are matureing and pleasing the aduklts, yet whats important is that they learn for what the society is teaching them. And they are handleing all the news all the blows that they get, while still maintaining a normal life.
Sinces everyone was involved in the Tom Robinson case, both the children and the adults, that was the start of boths worlds merging/touching. This case and it outcome helped the finch family, and all of macomb see the towns true colors, who they are, and where they stand.
Jem is growing up he sees lots of injustice that happens every day around the world. He sees his role is to protects scout and dill. Aticus helps him embrace this by giving him certain liberies.
Scout also sees the same injustice, but dosn't really know how to deal with it. She tries to be a lady, and help Aunt Alexandria with her tea pary. This shows hat scout is trying to lighten the mood by doing what she is supposed to.
they realize that they can't just be childdren anymore, they have to follow the rules.
In many ways the adult world has entered Scout and Jems lives. Scout was asked what she wanted to be when she grows up, her remark shows that she has not thought about it at all. She is also asked to have tea/brunch by Aunt Alexandra. Scout thinks that Aunt Alexandra is trying to teach her how to be a lady. This shows that the adult world is entering their lives.
The adult world invades on Jem and Scout slowly as they are growing up. This is being showed during the Tom Robinson case. It is showing them how it is in the real world and its not the same from your house. Also during this case they see more people from the town and they start to understand. While jem is figuring out the world he is trying to explain it to Scout who is not really understanding. I think thta the adult world has invaded Jem more then Scout for a couple reason he is older and muture, and look at things in a different way.
In chapters 23-34 you start to really see the impact that the adult world is having on Jem and Scout. When Scout has to have tea with Aunt Alexandra's friends it is a awkward time for Scout. They constantly tell her that she needs to be more like a lady and has to know what she is going to be when she grows up. Scout is still a young girl and has no idea what she wants to be when she grows up, i don't know how the people in Maycomb expect such a young girl to know what she wants to be when she grows up when she is only a young girl. On the other hand, Jem is starting to show the age difference he has between Scout and himself. Jem is definitely starting to get older and understand more about the trial. Jem has time to really think about the trial and what has happened or what could happened. In his mind Jem wanted Atticus to win the case, but Maycomb's racism barrier is still to strong to overcome.
In the wake of the controversial trial, many events that took place afterwards were seriously debilitating to the lives of the Finches and Aunt Alexandra. The beginning of these events was when Bob Ewell spat directly in Atticus:s face Will finish later Tom
The Tom Robinson trial has become a big role in Scout and Jem's lives because they experienced the trial first hand. They were exposed to the reality of the prejudice community of Maycomb. Scout and Jem see an innocent man put in jail. The trial makes Jem catergorize Maycomb into four groups of people (Regular people like themselves, the Ewells, the Cunninghams, the black community). The trial resulted in dividing the community along racial lines.
(continuation) They are scared for Atticus's life, but Atticus, always the decent one, says not to worry, nothing will happen. They learn from Miss Maudie that there is racial prejudice in the town of Maycomb among the adults. Also Scout delves into the world of womanhood when she joins into one of Aunt Alexandra's church society meetings and learns the art of womanfolk. In the midst of watch she thinks is just nonsense, Atticus comes in, braving the worst of news: Tom Robinson was dead. It was very scary for everyone connected in someway to the trial. In many ways adult is coming a callin' for the Finch children.
Scout gets a better taste of the world of the Maycomb " ladies". Although joining them seems desirable at first, Scout still hold on to the fact that thees people do not show their personality, that they aren't REAL. No matter how much she wants to fit in, I believe that Scout will be mch happier as an outsider. This way, she will free to express her opinions and emotions.
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scout and jem learn many things about the adult world. they also have new worries like Bob Ewell's and the tom robinson case. atticus isn't worried about bob ewell but it seems like everyone else is.jem has intence disscusions with atticus about rape.even scout has more adult like disscustions.scout and jem talk about class in maycomb. scout wears a dress which shows that she is matureing
Jem is growing up and is becoming a young adult, or a teen. As he is growing up he is becoming more mature and now is looking at things with a whole new perspective then before. On page 226 he tells Scout the many groups that Maycomb is split into. Jem chose these groups by the respect and their traits. Jem split Maycomb into these specific groups because in his oppinion, These different groups or families, are treated because of their ethnicities, wealth, social life, and the way they live their lives.I thought that Scout would never think of these things because she is still a young kid. Jem is invaded by the adult world and "shares" it with Scout.
(it is me katherina!!!!!!!!!!!)
In chapter 23 Jem broke maycomb into living conditional groups. I agree with all of what Katherina said about Jem. In chapter 24 Scout goes to one of the ladies days or something like that. This event is hosted by aunt Alexandra and at the end of this the ladies have coffee and tea. Thats when Scout joins them and hears all about what they are talking about. The ladies included her and just treated her as if she was a part of their group. They asked her normal questions that they were asking the other people in the group. When she hears about all the stuff going on in the ladies meeting she also hears about the death of Tom Robinson. After hearing this news she still was able to go back to the ladies meeting and finish it. When people are considered adults most times they can handle sad news better than children who will just cry.
In the beginning of the chapter, Scout is asked what she wants to be when she is older. She replies by saying "Nome, I hadn't thought about it..." This tells you that she is starting to become mature and sort of like a younger version of Jem. Jem is also becoming mature and a young adult. Jem is very mature now and is really concentrating on being like Atticus. Atticus is Jem's role model in a way because he is good at many things and Jem wants to become just at good and if not, better. Jem is like a younger version of Atticcus.
Scout is learning that there are many things ladies do and how much they expect of a young person. It seems weird that they question Scout so much, before this ordeal they probably would not have asked because she would not have cared or would have tried to get away. In this way Scout is growing up to be a Young women than the small kid whop did everything with Jem at the beginning of the Book.
Jem has also grown because he cares more for animals than before.
It hurt then al ot to learn that Tom died especially because they liked him and he could have had gone free. But this is learning to be grown up, that is the evil of life. Tom just could not stand being discriminated against
In chapter 24 Scout sits through one of the woman of Maycombs' missionary circles, where she observes the woman. She thinks about how these are not the kind of people she enjoys spending time with, though she does try and make conversation and help serve. As people before me have said Scout was asked what she wanted to be when she grows up, and was pestered about being a lawyer, when asked that question Scout had to think about being a "grown up" a bit more, though she did not think to much about it. Staying with the women also made her think about the kind of people she did like to stay with,the people like Heck Tate, Atticus, and Miss Maudi, she also though about why she enjoyed their company, she said that they were not hypocrites.
Jem is growing up more and more, and is now seeing his world differently, as we talked about earlier he is thinking about Maycomb in a very segregated way, he tells Scout he has been thinking about it a lot lately. Having a older brother who is growing up probably makes Scout grow up a little bit faster, because while he is going through a lot of different problems, Scout also starts to think about those problems.
in these chapters aunt alexandra tries to make Scout what people call a "ladie". aunt alexandra wants to make scout like her before she grows up. Jem is getting older and acting like an adult which is rather annoying to Scout. it makes it harder to enjoy themselves together. Jem spends more time with dill and they are ignoring her. Scout goes to a different school than Jem and they rarely see each other when not at home for meals.
I forgot to sign my name last time Kwame sorry tom
Scout and Jem start discovering and learning more of the gossip life in Maycomb. Scout has been hearing a lot about the adult life especially after Aunt Alexandra's meeting with the ladies in their neighborhood about Tom's case his family, and the mrunas. Jem has been hearing some information to but not as much. He heard and saw some dramatic scenes in chapter 25 when Atticus tells him and Dill the big news about Tom. Scout's life is being invaded more because she is a girl who will eventually be a women, so she has to start knowing the gossip and start understanding how to be lady like. So the adult world is invading her life now. Jem's life isnt being invaded really because it seems that he doesnt pay much attention to what the gossip is, and the adult world. He tries to separate himself from those topics because he knows most of it isn't true. And he's a boy, boys/men in Maycomb don't pay much thought to those topics.
The biggest invasion is the Tom Robinson case. That really seemed to tell Scout and Jem a lot about the adult world, and how adults deal out justice in the town of Maycomb. Another way the adult world invades Scout and Jems lives is when Jem is being treated more and more by Atticus as Scouts guardian. The reason Atticus gives him this responsibility is because Jem is getting older, and getting closer to manhood. Scout also asks Atticus what the word rape means.
scout is asked what she wants to be when she grows up, she doesn't know. This shows that she is starting to grow up. She is also starting to wear dresses. Jem is also maturing and is making his father a role model
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this chapter is a tresure trove of adulthood for jem and scout. they realise the after afects of the great cort case. they realise that they still have many fears left. one of wich is that bob ewell is still furious about how atticus distroyed all of his creadablity. he was left to sit in his shame even though he won the trile he lost his dignety. though scout and gem are horified, Atticus is still calm
jem and scout also learn of the truths of the court system they see that the system does not folow what it says
Jem is growing up and it's afecting Scout because she is constantly struck by all of Jem's interests as football. While Jem grows up he realizes injustice happening in Maycomb. He and scout are brought to realize injustice which happen every day around the country. Jem can not belive that all of this injustice is happening and no one really acts opon it. Jem also realizes that deppendion on social lass and skin color you are put in one of four groups that "decribe" what type of civilian you are. Scout and Jem are expected to stop acting more like kids each year and become young adults (although it only applies for Jem.) Aunt Alexandra s expectations are to teach Scout how to be a young lady. Scout doesn't like it but she can't do nothing about it.
The outcome of the trial really becomes clear to Jem. Now that the trial is over Jem has more time to think about what happened and what could have happened. He realizes all these things and it hits him hard. I also think that from the trial, Scout and Jem are staring to learn and realize more about the way race plays a role in maycomb. They even start to make their own discoveries and insights,like the quote by Jem that we responded to in the last post. Scout starts to learn a little more about the things that the women of Myacomb talk about when she sits in on a discussion between Aunt Alexandra,Miss Maudie and a few others. I agree with rodrigo that Scout is being forced tobe in the preseceof women a lot and there is nothing she can do to stop.
In chapter 24, Scout joins Aunt Alexandra in her Missionary group. It is the first time in the whole book that Scout willingly sits in with other women in the community. She wears a dress, which, for her, is unheard of. Scout’s perspective on her time with the women, is that she enjoys the company of men more. I think that Scout’s willingness to be patient and spend time with adults is a sign that she is becoming more mature every day.
Jem is growing up and adult life is entering his life. He is now seeing the world in more realistic and less like a child. The Tom Robinson case is thought about a lot in Jems life now. He sees the wrong that came out of the case and can't stand it. By experiencing all of the case, adult life is brought into his life. He is starting to see Maycomb in a different way and is analyzing that more.
Scout is getting adult life forced upon her. In chapter 24, she is brought into Aunt Alexandras meeting. She learns the feelings of many women in Maycomb while Aunt Alexandra tries to make her more of a lady. She feels that " ladies seem to live in horror of men" which leaves me with the question, does this make Scout want to be a women anymore than she did before?
A very unique scene is where Scout is sitting in the room while Aunt Alexandra's "gossip" group sits in and talks about the town. she sits there trying to follow the conversation but it is very starnge to her. She asks again and again what they're talking about still no response. You really see how she learns to take insults and remarks in this.
Jem also seems more grown up. Not just in these two chapters but in general. He is extremely consious of the world and knows difficulties more than he used to. You see him prove he knows more than Scout however more recently when he sits through the trial and takes everything in with understanding not just puzzlement. Scout is also well though out and smart but yet she lacks age. She is smart but not wise. She is still in the sort of mocking bird phase where Jem has sort of flown away. An example of Jem's smart ness he reads magazines and newspapers alot more and I definatly agree with nico on the fact that Jem is a child version of Atticus. As he grows older he will become, as Atticus is, more level headed and "down to earth".
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Jem and Scout are learning that the adult world is not as grownup as it first seems. They are learning that adults can be just like children when they get upset, hasty to use their fists and slow to remember to use their heads. With Bob Ewell, Atticus is certain that no harm will come to him. But the children aren't so sure. They are forced to realize the gravity of this problem, they are forced to realize that Atticus is not permanent, that all good things come to an end. children should be focused on growing up, and playing, and having fun, Jem and Scout have to worry if Atticus is safe every minute of the day. That is something no child should have to deal with. The adult world is invading Jem and Scout's lives, but there is nothing they can do about it.
Scout and Jem have been exposed to more adult-like topics, like the Tom Robinson case for example. Scout has become more aware of the real issues that are going on in Maycomb, she also is beginning to ponder over her future and what will become of herself as an adult. Jem is beginning to view Maycomb is a more adult fashion. He is grouping people in Maycomb as an adult would.
najha
I think the adult world influenced Scout the most because when they asked her what she wanted to be when she grew up she said a lady. You could also see that since Aunt Alexandra came Scout has been acting alot more like she has been wearing dreses and she wasnt beating anyone up as mch as she used to.
Everyone's comments are very interesting. In chapters 23 and 24, Jem and Scout are faced with adulthood in many instances.
One of the main is the ending of the Tom Robinson trial. This trial was very important because it helped Jem and Scout realize more about how the town of Maycomb is. Maycomb involves with "white privelege" and doesn't beleive that any black person is at all important, in anyway. Many people believe that what Jem said in chapter 23 was extremely rude, eventhough it actually is just a truthful portrayal of Maycomb, eventhough it is pretty harsh.
Another realization that comes upon Jem is when he starts to grow older, he realizes that he is going to have to be more responsible and become a better role model for Scout. He starts to be very nice to her and tell her more about getting older.
One adult world problem that invades Scout's life, is the idea of becoming a woman. During chapter 24, Scout decides to join Aunt Alexandra and her friends for afternoon snacks and gossip. Throughout the whole afternoon, the women discuss different events in the town of Maycomb. At one point during the afternoon gossip session, one of the women asks Scout what sher wants to be when she grows up, Scout doesn't have an answer, but this makes her start thinking more about her future. When Scout thinks about it, she is torn between the idea of being a woman or becoming more of a boyish woman. The interesting thing, is that before Scout started to grow up she had no idea of becoming any type of woman, but now that she is growing up she is having more thoughts about becoming a lady.
I agree with many people. Jem and Scout are being introduced to more adult topics and conversations. I do not think that the adult world is "invading" jem and Scout's lives. I think it is actually combining with their lives. This is because the adults in their lives are beginning to realize that Jem and Scout are becoming more mature and are growing into adulthood. They are acting more responsible. I think that their views of adulthood are beginning to change. At first, they thought adults are bossy and they are sometimes bothersome, but now they view them as role models and as responsible. They also make it seem that they want to grow up to be like some adults in Maycomb.
In chapter 24, Scout sits and talks with the some of the women in her neighborhood. They ask her what she wants to be, but she does know yet. Sitting and talking like like an adult is something new to Scout, she is not used to it. Also both Jem and Scout have to deal with the death of Tom Robinson. Scout relizes that Tom Robinson had no chance, no matter how well Atticus presented his case, they were going to loose because a black mans words no matter how genuine they sounded did not matter. "Tom was a dead man the minute Mayella Ewell opened her mouth and screamed." Pg. 241
Scout and Jem are being faced with the cruel reality of racism and how harsh life caan be.
To Kill A Mockingbird, the title of this book, can be interpreted in many ways but now I see killing a Mockingbird like how the gaurds killed Tom. They killed an innocent man, trying to escape the reality of an unjust situation.
I think that Jem is starting to see reality and how their life is extremely hard because of the depression. It seems that Jem and Scout after the Tom Robinson case I think that this is because they are learning to face the facts about socialism in Maycomb. Jem has a completely different view on life than before. He has aquired more maturity and wisdom.
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In chapters 23 and 24, Jem and Scout start showing new colors or maturity. For Jem, the fact that he classified different types of Maycomb citizens makes him more of an adult of Maycomb because when he was younger, he thought he was all figured out and agreed with Atticus on almost everything and thought that everyone should be treated the same. but now that he is maturing, he is starting to pick up on the "Maycomb Ways." And for Scout, we start seeing her trying to figure out her approaching maturity. When Ms. Stephanie asks her about her future, Scout realizes that she has not thought about it much and starts exploring in her mind, different possibilities. Also, Scout starts figuring out being a lady when she is sitting in on the missionary meeting. An example of this is when Scout observes Aunty keeping her ground and acting apathetic around her group of women. Scout andmires this and starts being more interested in the prospect of becomg a lady.
Scout and Jem start to really realize that they are changing. During these 2 chapters they are changing in diffrent ways.
Jem is taking on the role of adulthood. He decides to embrace it with no shame. For example when he is excited about showing his first chest hair or when he was abruptly telling Scout not to squish that bug. I think he is taking the role of a leader. His major influence is his dad. He is also taking in the reactions of Maycomb Citizens and how they think of the town or that trial.
Scout knows that she is entering adulthood, but isnt ready for it. For example, when she wore the dress to the missionary meeting she was still wearing shorts under it. Or when she was really tempted to kill that bug. This is a sign of how she is still figuring out who she is. Her major influence is Aunt Alexandria. In these chapters going back to the discussion of good/evil in a person. These chapters really show the good sides of Alexandria.
They begin to really realize the injustice of Maycomb and how these senseless reactions to Tom Robinson's death quickly effects the town.
The adult world invades jem and scout's lives when they are told that tom robinson was killed. The adults at the time with them clearly saw them as mature because if they didn't they wouldn't have so blaintly say that tom robinson was killed by jail guards when he was trying to escape the prision.
Rex:
At the start of the story, the world of Scout and Jem was confined to their back yard, Radley house, their school and Miss Maudie. As they got older, their world expanded to the nearby towns, Mrs. Dubose and eventually Atticus's workplace and court.
The challanges they face were also getting more complex. From trying childish ways to get Boo Radley out of the house, to hearing Miss Maudie's wise advice, realizing Mrs. Dubose's mental conflicts and the unfair guilty charge of Tom Robinson.
Even though Tom was charged in favor to Bob Ewell, he was furious that Atticus disgraced him in court. He seeked revenge. Jem and Scout were worried that Bob would end up killing Atticus, which he (Bob) is capable of.
Scout under Aunt Alexandra's influence began wearing dress and talking in missionary cirlces with ladies in Maycomb. She has to accept that she is turing into adulthood and must change. The quote "...I must soon enter this world, where on its surface fragrant ladies rocked slowly, fanned gently, and drank cool water."
Jem's changes involved his perspective of the world. His division classes of society is an example. He asked complicated questions, from the laws of justice, to equality between whites and blacks and for the later chapters he begins to teach Scout some of his observations. He is seeing himself as a representative of Atticus in the future (asking to change the laws in Montgomery)
I think that Tom Robinson’s trial was the principal opening to the adult world for Scout and Jem. It has been an immense change to what their judgments were before and what their judgments are now. However, Jem has adapted adult world more than Scout has, because he is older and his mind can explore and think more about the adult world than Scout can. Scout also has a change in thoughts lately. She begins to realize what the difference is between good and evil. I also realized that she told Dill [when Dill ran crying outside of the Courtroom in the previous chapters] that the only reason they were hard on Tom Robinson was that he was black. Scout may have adapted the fact that Tom Robinson was asked harshly during the trial because he was black and that shows how Scout is learning more of the adult world and the fact that she’s realizing there’s also evil in the world. Seeing more of a difference to Jem was when he said the quote, “I’ve thought about it a lot lately and I’ve got it figured out. There’s four kinds of folks in the world. There’s the ordinary kind like us and the neighbors, there’s the kind like the Cunningham’s out in the woods, the kind like the Ewell’s down at the dump, and the Negroes.” I think it brings out more of Jem’s adult thoughts and different views compared to when he was younger.
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In the past two chapters, Jem and Scout's lives have been invaded in various ways by the adult world. I agree with most people that Scout and Jem both have realizations about their town, the adults around them, and the changing of their lives.
As Jem is getting older and changing his realization is he has to become a better influenced for Scout since she looks up to him so much. As an act of being an adult, Jem starts helping Scout have an understanding about their complicated town and about growing up.
In chapter 24, Aunt Alexandra invites Scout to join her group of controversies and gossip. When asked about what she wanted to be when she grows up, Scout responds by saying she wants to be a lady. Even though she said she wants to be a lady i think she feels ready because under the dress she was wearing she was still wearing her shorts. Her answer shows that this thought of growing up to be a certain kind of woman that is expected of a Finch woman, runs through Scout's mind a lot.
These chapters really got me thinking if we all went through or are going through this change without noticing. When Scout is asked what she wants to be when she is an adult, she says that she hasn't really thought about it.I think this got her thinking more into her plans for the future. The adult world is coming into Scouts world when Aunt Alexandra invited the neighboors over. This was a trap for Scout so she can she more ladylike figures. After the new about Tom, Scout noticed that Aunty Alex was still as ladylike as before and Scout also stayed ladylike, imitating her Aunt.
During these two chapters, Jem is kind of quiet, but only to a piont. When Scout is about to kill the bug, Jem sort of turns soft and says to not kill it because it has done nothing wrong to her. Scout thinks that he has turned soft on everything and that he will never be the same. Jem is going into that change of becoming a boy into a man. Jem is slowly realizing the reality of life instead of the life you see as a child. Jems change is affecting Scout too because of how he is not the same brother who she would talk to and love to be around.
jem and scout have always been changing throughout the chapters. they just are becoming more mature and responsible. as they get older they learn a lot about the adults and what they are like. they have learned the famous quote, don't judge a book by its cover. most adults in maycomb aren't what they seem and jem and scout had to learn that.
The adult world approaches Jem and Scout in various ways in chapters 23 and 24. first there is the qoute from jem about the classes ad rankings of maycomb. The way he tries to explain to Scout about italone tells you that he is trying to grow up and analize what Maycombs true feelings for negroes are. it shows that Jem is thinking more about the outside world, one that is seperate from his yet so close location wise. You see Scout maturing when she goes to Aunt Alexandra's gathering. She puts on a dress and proves to her aunt that she can become a proper lady. A qoute that shows that Scout really does want to try hard to prove herself is "after all, if Aunty could be a lady at a time like this, so could I." Also at the end of chapter 23 Jem makes a strong and memorable oconclusion about Boo Radley. he said "I think I am begging to understand why Boo Radley's stayed shut up in the house all this time...its because he wanst to stay inside." For Jem this sis a huge step. Especially because Jem Scout and Dill use to make fun of Boo and constanly bother him. But now Jem realization makes him a better person because he is not drawing to assumptions anymore. But then the really huge piece of information thy get about tom robinson shows a lot about what they are ready to handle. You see that both Scout and Jem Are ready to become part of maycomb in a new perspective. The esence of them growing up is cryptic to some in a way that only they can under stand. i think that they know that they are matureing and pleasing the aduklts, yet whats important is that they learn for what the society is teaching them. And they are handleing all the news all the blows that they get, while still maintaining a normal life.
Sinces everyone was involved in the Tom Robinson case, both the children and the adults, that was the start of boths worlds merging/touching. This case and it outcome helped the finch family, and all of macomb see the towns true colors, who they are, and where they stand.
Jem is growing up he sees lots of injustice that happens every day around the world. He sees his role is to protects scout and dill. Aticus helps him embrace this by giving him certain liberies.
Scout also sees the same injustice, but dosn't really know how to deal with it. She tries to be a lady, and help Aunt Alexandria with her tea pary. This shows hat scout is trying to lighten the mood by doing what she is supposed to.
they realize that they can't just be childdren anymore, they have to follow the rules.
In many ways the adult world has entered Scout and Jems lives. Scout was asked what she wanted to be when she grows up, her remark shows that she has not thought about it at all. She is also asked to have tea/brunch by Aunt Alexandra. Scout thinks that Aunt Alexandra is trying to teach her how to be a lady. This shows that the adult world is entering their lives.
The adult world invades on Jem and Scout slowly as they are growing up. This is being showed during the Tom Robinson case. It is showing them how it is in the real world and its not the same from your house. Also during this case they see more people from the town and they start to understand. While jem is figuring out the world he is trying to explain it to Scout who is not really understanding. I think thta the adult world has invaded Jem more then Scout for a couple reason he is older and muture, and look at things in a different way.
In chapters 23-34 you start to really see the impact that the adult world is having on Jem and Scout. When Scout has to have tea with Aunt Alexandra's friends it is a awkward time for Scout. They constantly tell her that she needs to be more like a lady and has to know what she is going to be when she grows up. Scout is still a young girl and has no idea what she wants to be when she grows up, i don't know how the people in Maycomb expect such a young girl to know what she wants to be when she grows up when she is only a young girl. On the other hand, Jem is starting to show the age difference he has between Scout and himself. Jem is definitely starting to get older and understand more about the trial. Jem has time to really think about the trial and what has happened or what could happened. In his mind Jem wanted Atticus to win the case, but Maycomb's racism barrier is still to strong to overcome.
In the wake of the controversial trial, many events that took place afterwards were seriously debilitating to the lives of the Finches and Aunt Alexandra. The beginning of these events was when Bob Ewell spat directly in Atticus:s face Will finish later Tom
The Tom Robinson trial has become a big role in Scout and Jem's lives because they experienced the trial first hand. They were exposed to the reality of the prejudice community of Maycomb. Scout and Jem see an innocent man put in jail. The trial makes Jem catergorize Maycomb into four groups of people (Regular people like themselves, the Ewells, the Cunninghams, the black community). The trial resulted in dividing the community along racial lines.
(continuation) They are scared for Atticus's life, but Atticus, always the decent one, says not to worry, nothing will happen. They learn from Miss Maudie that there is racial prejudice in the town of Maycomb among the adults. Also Scout delves into the world of womanhood when she joins into one of Aunt Alexandra's church society meetings and learns the art of womanfolk. In the midst of watch she thinks is just nonsense, Atticus comes in, braving the worst of news: Tom Robinson was dead. It was very scary for everyone connected in someway to the trial. In many ways adult is coming a callin' for the Finch children.
Scout gets a better taste of the world of the Maycomb " ladies". Although joining them seems desirable at first, Scout still hold on to the fact that thees people do not show their personality, that they aren't REAL. No matter how much she wants to fit in, I believe that Scout will be mch happier as an outsider. This way, she will free to express her opinions and emotions.
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